LOL! Had a discussion with some pastors on this. Stirred it up and then bowed out. It was fun. We like to think their is totally separate church and state. The reality is it works best when it is in alliance forming a 3 point system. The rules keep us from stepping too far across the others philosophy. They are not entirely separate or a strict line. God is in the law that means secular law as well. In the Western world the central tenets came from Judeo/Christian works, scripture and traditions. Many of the Founding Fathers were deists. Strong belief God but not necessarily denomination hence such terms as Providence etc. Having marriage being a state contract and a function of the church says how important it is. Both work together to insure marriages function, property, monies etc are fair and children get taken care of in the long term. To me the problem is when it gets out of balance. When we over emphasize one side or the other. You need both. Marriage is so important that living together 30 days whether you go through the formal process or not makes you married in the eyes of the state. People need to understand that when you live together you are not escaping marriage, you are married for all practical purposes. All you have left out is the blessing of it. To me the debate should not be so much about if they officially got married, but what are we going to do to support marriages. How do we best help couples remain married? My son Jake who is 27 sadly stated of all his friends he was the only one that did not have divorced parents and he said this when we were talking about the demise of his parents marriage. Now he was part of a group he never wished to be part of but at least it happened not in his childhood. He says his friends and him are serious about marriage because since they are children of divorce they don’t want to do that to their children. So maybe out of Baby Boomers ultimate folly, some good will come in the next generations that the experiment of divorcing just because failed and that supporting marriage really is what is best for society, children and even us adults. I am not saying there should be no divorce but there are way too many divorces that some counseling, some community and church support would not have happened. Society which means us needs to stop making out that divorce is not a big deal. It is. It hurts, It leaves deep, deep wounds. It hurts our children the rest of their lives. They will tell you so.
Enough of that –anyway on David’s site there was a great discussion and I learned much about perspectives from pastors which I think general public would be surprised.
March 12, 2012 at 9:46 pm
——–Wisconsin anyone can marry you—-it’s signing the paper does it for the state—————x
March 12, 2012 at 10:26 pm
LOL! Had a discussion with some pastors on this. Stirred it up and then bowed out. It was fun. We like to think their is totally separate church and state. The reality is it works best when it is in alliance forming a 3 point system. The rules keep us from stepping too far across the others philosophy. They are not entirely separate or a strict line. God is in the law that means secular law as well. In the Western world the central tenets came from Judeo/Christian works, scripture and traditions. Many of the Founding Fathers were deists. Strong belief God but not necessarily denomination hence such terms as Providence etc. Having marriage being a state contract and a function of the church says how important it is. Both work together to insure marriages function, property, monies etc are fair and children get taken care of in the long term. To me the problem is when it gets out of balance. When we over emphasize one side or the other. You need both. Marriage is so important that living together 30 days whether you go through the formal process or not makes you married in the eyes of the state. People need to understand that when you live together you are not escaping marriage, you are married for all practical purposes. All you have left out is the blessing of it. To me the debate should not be so much about if they officially got married, but what are we going to do to support marriages. How do we best help couples remain married? My son Jake who is 27 sadly stated of all his friends he was the only one that did not have divorced parents and he said this when we were talking about the demise of his parents marriage. Now he was part of a group he never wished to be part of but at least it happened not in his childhood. He says his friends and him are serious about marriage because since they are children of divorce they don’t want to do that to their children. So maybe out of Baby Boomers ultimate folly, some good will come in the next generations that the experiment of divorcing just because failed and that supporting marriage really is what is best for society, children and even us adults. I am not saying there should be no divorce but there are way too many divorces that some counseling, some community and church support would not have happened. Society which means us needs to stop making out that divorce is not a big deal. It is. It hurts, It leaves deep, deep wounds. It hurts our children the rest of their lives. They will tell you so.
Enough of that –anyway on David’s site there was a great discussion and I learned much about perspectives from pastors which I think general public would be surprised.
March 12, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Same in Texas